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Landable points in Alpine terains

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By Robert Kulhanek on Wed, 22 Oct 2025 - 22:21
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Hang Gliding
What do we want ?
In competition in alpine terrains (cat.1. mandatory, cat2. recommended) Way-points of landable points.
*) Some modern xc. apps and instruments can show if we can reach it during flight.
*) Plot it on "taskboard map" sometimes the sentence "there is not landable or, there you can land are lost or forgotten"
How do we achieve that ?
Ideally collect local club landing zones (windsock, etc..) and locals knowledge of proper field.
Issue category :
task setting
Safety
fairness
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Thu, 23 Oct 2025 - 00:03
Julien Garcia
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This one seems obvious. Fabien mentioned using more restricted sportive airspace on too large unlandable places.

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Thu, 23 Oct 2025 - 14:17
Martin Grössinger
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My Suggestion: just Mark landable areas and have waypoints only for windsocks (really in place).

Why:
1) A landable place ist not always and ever landable. WHO guarantees, that a landable, ist safe?
2) I am not sure if a landable waypoint File is really a contribution to safety. In my experience it is safer to assess landing Options visually than to calculate reachable outlanding options from waypoint files. The latter allows the Pilot to Push the Limit more effecively, which does nit result in a safety gain.

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Thu, 23 Oct 2025 - 15:07
Toni Crottet
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Hello Robert

Good point!!

I suggest also, that the tasksetter published standard tasks in different weather situations where bomb-out fields are marked but also other potential dangers like powerlines, turbulent zones, etc.

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Fri, 24 Oct 2025 - 08:00
Fabien Zado
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Hey,
And this is what is already happening. MD usually talks about the available landings, difficult parts along the race, etc, etc...
When you are flying for the 1st time in a place, it is almost impossible to remember all the suitable landing fileds, no landing zones, power lines...
And during a briefing, most of the pilots are on their instruments, not paying much attention. After the briefing, never enough time to study properly the map if you have to take off in the 1st ones...

I think all landing fields, dangerous areas, etc... should be in the instruments (airpace, waypoints).

- NO LANDING zones definition : a zone not providing any suitable landing fields and not allowing a safe crossing (forest, valley, urban areas, airports, etc…) Every area should be treated case by case.
- Suitable landing definition : a flat field with no obstacles in entry that can allow a safe landing without wind (based on high performance gliders) Sailplane database ?
- Recommended landing fields : Suitable fields providing an easy access for retrieve, authorization from the farmer, windsocks, etc…

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