Discipline
Paragliding XC
What do we want ?
The proposed change is to calculate a pilot’s ranking points based only on the competitors they outperform, rather than all participants in the competition.
In the current WPRS formula, top-ranked pilots inflate points you can get from a comp no matter your result.
In the current WPRS formula, top-ranked pilots inflate points you can get from a comp no matter your result.
How do we achieve that ?
I've prepared a set of simulations, analyzed results and formulated a proposal (link below).
It was already discussed at the last CIVL plenary, and it was decided a special working group is needed, but it was never formed.
I'm looking for support for this change.
It was already discussed at the last CIVL plenary, and it was decided a special working group is needed, but it was never formed.
I'm looking for support for this change.
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I was sad to see the treatment this proposal received. I believe there is an easy consensus to be found in this proposal. The points should indeed be awarded for beating contestants, not just participating along them. This will not solve completely the problems for non European pilots but it will be a little bit more fair. Tons of time spent. Amazing work. Thanks.
Kuba, I wanted to propose the other direction, being rewarded for being Nth within the M strongest pilots of a race.
Like in the real world, many times on a National or similar level comp, there are 10 CCC glider and 90 EN-C, etc. The 10 CCC gliders race the whole week within each other, almost independent of the rest.
My performance on that comp should be measured on how well I was racing with the other CCC pilots. It has nothing to do with the 90 EN-C pilots who I barely flew together with.
It's not clear to me if the proposal is taking this into account or not. I think it's currently in the other direction.
In reply to Kuba, I wanted to propose… by zsoltero
So it seems my proposal is aligned with your desires.
Simplifying - you are rewarded for 1/4 of the best pilots you beat.
In reply to So it seems my proposal is… by Kuba Sto
What happens on the SRS situation, where there are 2-3 top pilots who "pull-up" the point of everyone else?
I don't think that system is fair as it is today.
If you put 120 pilots with average ranking and 3 top pilots and have them racing and racing and racing each other for many races, currently their points get really high over time.
Even though no one ever beat the top 3 pilots.
I think it's a bug in the current system.
I don't know what would be a good system, but I think it should handle the SRS situation.
In reply to What happens on the SRS… by zsoltero
The whole point of my proposal is to not be rewarded for pilots ahead of you. So inflating points like this would be avoided.
In reply to The whole point of my… by Kuba Sto
I like that. So if I suppose:
- there are 10 elite pilots + 90 weekend pilots on a comp
- and they win in their ranking order
=> then being the 11th pilot (first non-elite) in the comp should give the same points as winning the "fictional" comp of 90 weekend pilots.
At least I believe this would be an ideal system.
In reply to I like that. So if I suppose… by zsoltero
There is still Pn parameter (number of participants), so not exactly the same, but it the essence, yes.
I welcome initiatives to check my simulations and detailed peer review.
This one is good to go too. A pity we missed it last year. Working Group please 🙏🏻